rubio, a congressman who understands, as a cuban-american, the need to appeal to that group of voters that is growing is very important. and again, we talk about national security. we're talking about more than 11 million undocumented people. so if we really want public safety, we also need to know where these people are working, where they live, and we also have to incorporate them into a legal society because they're taxpayers, buying products, going to the grocery store. >> let me ask you this. there are requirements for those illegal in the country to gain citizenship, and quite frankly, for criteria, background check, registering, paying taxes, a penalty, and learning english. is this punive or is this fair? >> it's very extensive. i will say this, i think that a lot of people say that -- you're going to have a lot of different takes just from the lit that we know so far. president obama's going to give more details about the plan and we'll hear more from senators. i think that what folks at least here in los angeles will say to you is that generally there is this cautious optimi